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it doesn't just depend on the law itself. it depends on what people think the law is in pennsylvania. people are calling the state calling that toll free number to find out about voting and being told when they call that number to effectively not show up if they don't have an i.d. then honestly it doesn't matter what the judge ruled. people without i.d. will probably stay home. pennsylvania elections officials said this week they are pulling their multimillion dollar ad campaign targeted at educating voters about the photo i.d. requirements because of course there is no longer an i.d. requirement. but you know what? even before you get to taking down your ad campaign as you meander around with that task pennsylvania you might also want to consider this. the bureau of elections for cumberland county in pennsylvania as of today hopefully informing its visitors that, quote, all voters will be required to show photo i.d. at the polling place in the november, 2012, general election. actually voters will not be required to show pho
it doesn't just depend on the law itself. it depends on what people think the law is in pennsylvania. people are calling the state calling that toll free number to find out about voting and being told when they call that number to effectively not show up if they don't have an i.d. then honestly it doesn't matter what the judge ruled. people without i.d. will probably stay home. pennsylvania elections officials said this week they are pulling their multimillion dollar ad campaign targeted at...
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law. press two for -- [ bleep ] >> hello. all pennsylvania voters will be required to show a photo i.d. before voting at a polling place beginning with the november 2012 general election. all photo i.d.s must be current and contain an expiration date unless otherwise noted. >> so that was our scoop last night. our bad scoop. because what you just heard there from the state of pennsylvania is not the law. but it's what the state of pennsylvania was telling people anyway as of yesterday afternoon on the phone line that the state was telling people to call if they had any questions or if they were at all confused about voting this year. so say anybody who doesn't have a driver's license and was calling the state to find out if they can vote, as of yesterday, that recording on the state's phone line for voting help was telling them, no, you can't vote, when, in fact, legally you can. ultimately when we question the state elections office about that yesterday afternoon they took down that recording. they said it was just an oversi
law. press two for -- [ bleep ] >> hello. all pennsylvania voters will be required to show a photo i.d. before voting at a polling place beginning with the november 2012 general election. all photo i.d.s must be current and contain an expiration date unless otherwise noted. >> so that was our scoop last night. our bad scoop. because what you just heard there from the state of pennsylvania is not the law. but it's what the state of pennsylvania was telling people anyway as of...
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laws the corporal discipline of children by their parents. now the bill redefines child abuse laws that calls any act of pain. the son of vp joe biden said the old law needed to be changed because it had been difficult to prosecute cases where a child was too young to speak, or otherwise nonverbal. criminal defense attorney holly hughes is here. okay, critics say it could go too far and be misused. how do you think a law like this will be interpreted in the courts? >> i think it is coming back. it will be challenged. it will not pass constitutional muster, what is called vague and over-broad. and anything you do, essential that causes pain. well, what happens when your child is about to run into the street and you snatch them back by the arm and that causes pain. have you suddenly -- are you on the hook for child abuse, are you going to be arrested for that? this is craziness. >> my parents would be life in prison. >> oh, my word, exactly, mine, too, mine too. i was just talking about that. productive members of society. you know, neither one
laws the corporal discipline of children by their parents. now the bill redefines child abuse laws that calls any act of pain. the son of vp joe biden said the old law needed to be changed because it had been difficult to prosecute cases where a child was too young to speak, or otherwise nonverbal. criminal defense attorney holly hughes is here. okay, critics say it could go too far and be misused. how do you think a law like this will be interpreted in the courts? >> i think it is coming...
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they embrace law and order conceptually and they say we're talking about enforcing the law and if the law isn't enforced a society cannot hold itself cohesively together. the second thing they say is we can't have a cohesive, coherent country without a common language. if you have two peoples living side by side speaking separate languages, you're not going to have a country. >> we heard the arguments. as far as the language is concerned, everyone knows english is the official language in the country. why is it necessary to make it official by law? i think there's more draw backs to that because, for example, in california when they tried to make english the official language it was virtually impossible. it didn't work. it was approved, but it didn't work. why? because you have so many different languages that are spoken there. besides spanish you have several asian languages. what would happen is in the schools, the schools would be forced to send all materials to parents in english when you have elderly who do not speak the language and who would feel more comfortable. it's very har
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state law allows him to do that as well as running for the vice presidency, but what challenges does that present? >> it's just that it can look bad. but i would also point out that joe biden also was running for re-election for the senate in delaware when he was brarack obama's running mate four years ago. so this is a pretty commonplace thing to do. >> all right, matt visor from "the boston globe" and erin mcpike from real clear politics, thank you both. >> thank you. >>> coming up, new polls out today show mitt romney with a double-digit deficit in his running mate's home state. we will give you the latest spread on that. >>> but first, which president obama is preparing to emerge at the next debate? we'll talk to his campaign's vice chairwoman, next. this is msnbc. ♪ most paints have color that sits on the surface. but nothing beats benjamin moore's color lock technology that locks color right in, no matter how often you wash it. color lock technology. exclusively from your benjamin moore retailer. find your perfect color with a buy one, get one pint offer. visit benjaminmoore.
state law allows him to do that as well as running for the vice presidency, but what challenges does that present? >> it's just that it can look bad. but i would also point out that joe biden also was running for re-election for the senate in delaware when he was brarack obama's running mate four years ago. so this is a pretty commonplace thing to do. >> all right, matt visor from "the boston globe" and erin mcpike from real clear politics, thank you both. >> thank...
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do you think laws have to come down harder on the buyers, the people who are putting the money out? >> i think so. i think we need to treat the men that are clients of women in the sex trafficking industry as part of the conspiracy, as part of the conspiracy to kidnap, to imprison, to enslave into traffic these women. >> reporter: minnesota's cracking down with tougher laws. this man, arrested after answering ads on backpage.com and engaging in prostitution with minors, is the first john in the state to be charged not with the usual misdemeanors, but with felonies. he's pleaded guilty and could serve up to ten years in prison for each count. >> this isn't just somebody who is worth $500 to you for an hour. this is someone's daughter. this is someone's sister. these people have a reason that they're here and it's not a good reason. >> reporter: along with tougher charges, the surge in child sex trafficking prompted minnesota to reclassify children arrested for prostitution. instead of criminals, they are now being treated as victims. >> we will no longer prosecute children who are be
do you think laws have to come down harder on the buyers, the people who are putting the money out? >> i think so. i think we need to treat the men that are clients of women in the sex trafficking industry as part of the conspiracy, as part of the conspiracy to kidnap, to imprison, to enslave into traffic these women. >> reporter: minnesota's cracking down with tougher laws. this man, arrested after answering ads on backpage.com and engaging in prostitution with minors, is the first...
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so if it bears more heavily on handicapped disabled people it may very well be against the law. that's where the test is. we don't have a ruling yet but it really will be cutting-edge once we find out the answer to that question. >> interesting. potentially, richard, it macon clued that there has to be different kinds of personality tests based on what applicants might be eligible or looking into employment? >> yeah. fred, i think the sole criteria here will be whether or not this test disadvantages hearing impaired or speech impaired. that's the issue. whether disadvantages this group of people because if i want does not disadvantage them and the person is crying sour grapes because they didn't get the job these tests are going to be permissible, they are allowed to be used. tough economic times right now and employers can use a vast array of criteria to determine which employees they think will be best suited for their jobs and this is one criteria for hem to use. it'slegitimate. i think this is going to be legitimate and i think this case will get thrown out, fred. >> interes
so if it bears more heavily on handicapped disabled people it may very well be against the law. that's where the test is. we don't have a ruling yet but it really will be cutting-edge once we find out the answer to that question. >> interesting. potentially, richard, it macon clued that there has to be different kinds of personality tests based on what applicants might be eligible or looking into employment? >> yeah. fred, i think the sole criteria here will be whether or not this...
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i asked jonathan gruber the mit who helped design the law. he told me 100%. that was my whole job, saying whether we could fit what he wanted to do within those three funding sources. the legislature ended up adding more money to the law after he proposed it. but the fact remains it remains on federal dollars and on state taxes. but romney's health care proposal doesn't make it easier for other states to do what he did. it makes it almost impossible. he's not offering states access to federal funds for universal coverage. here's what he's doing. >> i would like to take the medicaid dallas dollars and go to state and say you'll get what you got last year, plus inflation, plus 1% and you manage your care for your poor in the way you think best. >> that sounds nice. it's a cut to medicaid of more than $600 billion. that means medicaid will not be able to offer other states the generous deal massachusetts got. so then let's go through these three pots of money. romney isn't giving states a pot of money, he's cutting medicaid funding so unlike massachusetts, state
i asked jonathan gruber the mit who helped design the law. he told me 100%. that was my whole job, saying whether we could fit what he wanted to do within those three funding sources. the legislature ended up adding more money to the law after he proposed it. but the fact remains it remains on federal dollars and on state taxes. but romney's health care proposal doesn't make it easier for other states to do what he did. it makes it almost impossible. he's not offering states access to federal...
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laws in wisconsin, south carolina and texas and they have done it again. >> if you are pennsylvania voter you will not have to show a photo i.d. this election. a judge ruled against the measure for now saying he didn't believe there was adequate time for voters to easily get a photo i.d. before november 6th. >> stephen: that is ridiculous. they will have their i.d.s by november 6th if they go to the dmv now. but folks, as bad as this is-- (cheers and applause) as bad as this is, there is a silver lining to this story. because according to the ruling, election officials can still ask for photo i.d.s, they just can't prevent people from voting if they don't have it. this could still work. asking for the i.d. is now meaningless but we're still allowed the consolation prize of harassing voters for no reason. and if we just add some other intimidation tactics i think we can make the wrong kind of voters so uncomfortable, they'll just turn around and go home. i say we start with a cavity search. you're free to vote but first you have to let us pull back your curtain and take a few yanks on that
laws in wisconsin, south carolina and texas and they have done it again. >> if you are pennsylvania voter you will not have to show a photo i.d. this election. a judge ruled against the measure for now saying he didn't believe there was adequate time for voters to easily get a photo i.d. before november 6th. >> stephen: that is ridiculous. they will have their i.d.s by november 6th if they go to the dmv now. but folks, as bad as this is-- (cheers and applause) as bad as this is,...
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the law school examiners, i don't think bls cooked numbers. i think people lied about getting jobs. that would have the same effect. there is no evidence of that. the bls is constantly trying to get it right. sometimes it helps the incumbent president, sometimes not. here's what eric erickson tweeted. quote, i don't think it's healthy to indicate that the jobs numbers are cooked. a best-selling author and currently writes a blog with his wife susie. so do you really believe that people in the obama campaign, the chicago guy that you tweeted about, that they cooked the numbers? >> anderson, last night before these numbers came out, i tweeted, i wonder what the assumptions will be tomorrow. because last month, the assumptions were that participation rate dropped to the lowest level since jimmy connor. that means people quit looking for work so they don't count. there are so many assumptions that one makes coming into these numbers. you pointed out very accurately that they polled 60,000 people out of a work force of 100 million plus to see how many people had work coming in and out. b
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harvard pinheads and the university of california, that sidly austin is a law firm. here's the romney done ogoldman sachs, bank of america, j.p. morgan, morgan stanley, all the banks, credit criss, citigroup,bar clays, dirkland, that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney, why? >> they are gone primary because of dodd-frank issue but if they lich to governor romney in that debate, talking about too big to fail and dodd frank, they are thinking, can i stop that check before it clears? >> what is too big to fail? >> that's a bank like j.p. morgan, chase -- >> so the government guarantees they won't go out of business. >> $1.2 trillion in assets, you will not go out of business. >> romney says he will dump that. he took their money and said, hi, got your money now. >> like barack obama did four years ago. >> lou dobbs, that's the fairest assessment you will get anywhere. right here. vicious attack on a california couple, put out a recommendny sign on their front lawn, geraldo with the details. take a look at body language at the debate. that report, after these me
harvard pinheads and the university of california, that sidly austin is a law firm. here's the romney done ogoldman sachs, bank of america, j.p. morgan, morgan stanley, all the banks, credit criss, citigroup,bar clays, dirkland, that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney, why? >> they are gone primary because of dodd-frank issue but if they lich to governor romney in that debate, talking about too big to fail and dodd frank, they are thinking, can i stop that check before it...
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the rule of law is being established as a foundation piece of the electoral process once again. >> that is important. >> eliot: back to my question. second term you have been critical of president obama on issues of civil liberties foreign policies, where do you see him going? >> on that front we have an editorial in our last issue. i would call it the election editorial but we do say reelect president obama. because the stakes are too high. but the forward movement, we saw gay rights. we need to stand up and say we're not secure with the escalation of drone wars or violation of civil liberties. there has to be a movement from people. i'm worried about austerity issues that you raised. you can look at europe, but if you see balancing the budget which i believe is not the short term objective. it shouldic to end joblessness in this country. you will see the balancing of the budget on the backs of working class people, the poor, who have had to bear the suffering of wall street and have not shared in a recovery which is slim but beginning. >> eliot: what you're saying is hugely important.
the rule of law is being established as a foundation piece of the electoral process once again. >> that is important. >> eliot: back to my question. second term you have been critical of president obama on issues of civil liberties foreign policies, where do you see him going? >> on that front we have an editorial in our last issue. i would call it the election editorial but we do say reelect president obama. because the stakes are too high. but the forward movement, we saw...
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wells fargo, kirkland and elvis that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney why? >> they have gone because primarily dodd frank. if they listened to governor romney in that debate talking about too big to fail and dodd frank. he is going to get rid of too big to fail. they are thinking right now can i stop that check before it clears. >> bill: what's too big to fail again. >> too big to fail is a bank like jp morgan chase. >> bill: the government guarantees you are not going out of asset. >> 1.2 and not going out of business no matter how big you get. >> bill: he took money. >> just like barack obama did four years ago. >> bill: lou dobbs, everybody. and that's the fairest assessment that you will get anywhere in the media right here on the factor. directly ahead, vicious attack on a california couple who put out a romney sign on their front lawn. harold with details. he has talked to the couple. body language takes a look at the debate this week. that should be interesting. those reports after these messages. ooho romney once again using a working person. apparen
wells fargo, kirkland and elvis that's a law firm. the banks have gone for romney why? >> they have gone because primarily dodd frank. if they listened to governor romney in that debate talking about too big to fail and dodd frank. he is going to get rid of too big to fail. they are thinking right now can i stop that check before it clears. >> bill: what's too big to fail again. >> too big to fail is a bank like jp morgan chase. >> bill: the government guarantees you are...
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ironically, the health care reform law mitt romney signed as governor and remains in effect today in massachusetts does mandate coverage for anyone with pre-existing conditions, whether they already have health insurance or not. a bit later in the program, we will talk about one of the few moments that mr. romney failed to strike a tone of moderation. it concerns a great big yellow bird. that makes it on our "ridiculist" tonight. a good friend of his, oscar the grouch, i can tell you it's really got my attention. first, ari fleischer with the serious stuff. he serves as part-time unpaid communications consultant to the romney campaign and political analyst, roland martin. ari, what do you make -- do you say that mitt romney is seeming to be striking some more centrist positions, or at least sounding more centrist? >> well, let me try to peel this onion one slice at a time. the 47% comment really breaks down to two. one is that the pejorative way he spoke about the 47%, which as i, you didn't show my clip, when you ked me about that the day afterwards, i said it was wrong, they're not
ironically, the health care reform law mitt romney signed as governor and remains in effect today in massachusetts does mandate coverage for anyone with pre-existing conditions, whether they already have health insurance or not. a bit later in the program, we will talk about one of the few moments that mr. romney failed to strike a tone of moderation. it concerns a great big yellow bird. that makes it on our "ridiculist" tonight. a good friend of his, oscar the grouch, i can tell you...
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we have breaking news, two law enforcement officials tell cnn the death of a border patrol agent this week was caused by friendly fire. the fbi said in a statement, there are strong preliminary indications that the death of nicholas ivy was the result of -- the injured agent was released from the hospital on wednesday. >>> a radical islamist cleric is on the way to the united states after losing his latest and final appeal to avoid that fate. judge john thomas said the extradition may proceed immediately. some of the supporters clashed with police outside of the high court. he faces 11 charges in the united states, including conspiring in 1999 to set up an islam jihad training camp in oregon. rebel fighters shot down a helicopter over the the damascus country side. this video supposedly shows. cnn cannot verify its authenticity. another opposition group known as the local coordination committees for syria says 110 were killed by syrian forces across the country just today. former university of tennessee basketball coach pat summitt says she was not forced out of her job after being di
we have breaking news, two law enforcement officials tell cnn the death of a border patrol agent this week was caused by friendly fire. the fbi said in a statement, there are strong preliminary indications that the death of nicholas ivy was the result of -- the injured agent was released from the hospital on wednesday. >>> a radical islamist cleric is on the way to the united states after losing his latest and final appeal to avoid that fate. judge john thomas said the extradition may...
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. >> sean: now we are getting lectured, trip transpire, that we need blasphemy laws in merge, part of them come from this president of egypt, whom we are giving how many millions of dollars -- billions, excuse me? >> sean, look. it's clear that there wasn't enough protection of the ambassador. there were four people died because there wasn't enough security. -- >>> wait a minute. but the president keeps saying, this was spontaneous -- >> it doesn't matter-- >>> why are they lying? >> you guy it's [overlapping dialogue] >> it doesn't matter if it was spontaneous or if it was-- >>> it does if the president tells us something that is factually inaccurate! >> it doesn't, sean. the fact is, security wasn't there. there wasn't enough security. why wasn't it there? that's what-- >>> it is okay that the president lies?! he went out there -- [overlapping dialogue] >> sean: just answer the question [overlapping dialogue] >> when is the president going to own up on this? when is the president going to own up to this and say what you are saying -- [overlapping dialogue] >> when the investigation
. >> sean: now we are getting lectured, trip transpire, that we need blasphemy laws in merge, part of them come from this president of egypt, whom we are giving how many millions of dollars -- billions, excuse me? >> sean, look. it's clear that there wasn't enough protection of the ambassador. there were four people died because there wasn't enough security. -- >>> wait a minute. but the president keeps saying, this was spontaneous -- >> it doesn't matter--...
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he was breaking the law. let's finish the equation. therefore he deserved to die? what is your point? what is the point you're making. even when you have the correct guy, if we cuff somebody, if he dies, it doesn't matter. >> cenk: to me the devaluing of human life as you watch them being totally indifferent for eight minutes as a guy is dying it turns your stomach. the thing that makes me angry is the flippant attitudes of the police chief. >> the idea that they're saying that it's a homicide and then parsing the words of what homicide could or may or may not mean. there is something called neglect homicide and this was negligence, and it was homicide. i think that any time you see this, everybody has got to be taken seriously. what were they afraid of, the guy was in handcuffs. if he was joking about not being able to breathe call that bluff. >> if might be fooled, it's not the and of your life. >> cenk: look-- >> it's almost as if getting caught on the dash cam falling for it is worse than getting caught on the dash cam responding to this. >> cenk: we told you e
he was breaking the law. let's finish the equation. therefore he deserved to die? what is your point? what is the point you're making. even when you have the correct guy, if we cuff somebody, if he dies, it doesn't matter. >> cenk: to me the devaluing of human life as you watch them being totally indifferent for eight minutes as a guy is dying it turns your stomach. the thing that makes me angry is the flippant attitudes of the police chief. >> the idea that they're saying that it's...
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ironically, the health care law that mitt romney signed in massachusetts and remains in place, it does allow for preexisting conditions whether they have health insurance or not. we will be watching big bird and his good friend oscar the grouch. it certainly got my attention. but first we have political analyst roland martin. do you think mitt romney is taking more centrist positions? >> the 47% comment really breaks down into two. the pejorative way he talked about the 47%, you didn't show my clip. when you asked me about that the day afterwards, i said he was wrong, they aren't victims and he shouldn't use that word. the economic part of it is factually right. we are a country where 47% should be excused for paying any income taxes. >> but he said that's totally wrong. >> let me get to that. the top 47% make more than $250,000 a year and pay more income taxes. he was wrong by saying 47%. he was right in saying 47% don't pay income taxes. you talk about lifting those people up so they can make it in america. that's what they want. they want to become taxpayers, and that's where he was
ironically, the health care law that mitt romney signed in massachusetts and remains in place, it does allow for preexisting conditions whether they have health insurance or not. we will be watching big bird and his good friend oscar the grouch. it certainly got my attention. but first we have political analyst roland martin. do you think mitt romney is taking more centrist positions? >> the 47% comment really breaks down into two. the pejorative way he talked about the 47%, you didn't...
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eliot: if you want to lower the abortion rate there is an effective way to do it without changing the law. you can see it in our number of the day 61% that's how much birth rate fell when birth control was given away for free. this came out of a study by washington university, 9,000 women, many of whom were poor and uninsured were offered contraceptives without cost. most got iuds or other implants which are the most effective option and usually quite expensive. but the drop in pregnancy more than made up in the expense. that is good news. we may soon see similar results across the country. the president's affordable care act gives access to contraceptive. if you're anti-abortion, stand up for obama-care. >> eliot: coming up, was wednesday night the best etch-a-sketch yet? but first people have been clamoring for t and now it's here. the musical mash up. when it doesn't fit anywhere else, we put it in the viewfinder. [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] [ ♪ music ♪ ] >> i still like the play list on my ipod better
eliot: if you want to lower the abortion rate there is an effective way to do it without changing the law. you can see it in our number of the day 61% that's how much birth rate fell when birth control was given away for free. this came out of a study by washington university, 9,000 women, many of whom were poor and uninsured were offered contraceptives without cost. most got iuds or other implants which are the most effective option and usually quite expensive. but the drop in pregnancy more...